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Please tell what you don't like in tutorials.

Postby vovka » Wed Feb 03, 2010 11:23 am

One way to improve it's know what's wrong.
Please let me know, what you would change in tutorials if you could.
Don't worry you won't damage my ego, it's to protected :)
But I would like to know, what tutorials missing.
It's always room for grow and improvment.
Thank you.

P.S. negative stuff only, please.
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Re: Please tell what you don't like in tutorials.

Postby xfgexo » Wed Feb 03, 2010 9:24 pm

Are you sure? :)

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Well, although it will be very difficult to only point out negative stuff seeing as there is so much great stuff packed in them, i will try ;)

Also i know your looking for things that probably pertain to the actual viewing of the tutorials themselves, however before i comment on that, i wanted to point out some other things that are noteworthy and still related to the topic. Here are the things that catch my eye, not saying they should be changed, just that its things that i have trouble with.



1. Online Tutorials - General
On the GAP website you have tons of great tutorials. However when attempting to find a past tutorial once viewed or a particular tutorial topic such as landscapes. I find it difficult as you have so many categories but they appear to be just jumbled on the page no real logical order to them. See image for example, Or click here for larger view.

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Speaking personally here, for me, it would be easier to locate, view and return if they were somehow better organized on the page. I am not speaking of the actual listing of the tutorials, as they are fine. I am only speaking of the tutorial categories such as Discovering Vue, Epic Landscapes etc.



2. DVD Tutorials - Downloading
I like how you give people the choices of how they want to download a particular tutorial set once purchased. One large file or broken into parts etc. However what i am not crazy about is that all the different choices are listed all at once. This makes it difficult to find the particular file you want to download as you have to look at each one to determine if its the next file you want. As you can imagine, after purchasing many items not just tutorials, a members download section is filled with an overwhelming amount of items. Many for the same product just in a different format as i explained previously. Would be great, again, if it was somehow better organized to let the user make his choice from say a drop down box and then list only the files matching his/her criteria, a filter of sorts maybe?

Example: Partial list of my download section
Terrains, guide. full download 2 GB
Terrains, guide. Parts part 7 of 7, 199 MB
Terrains, guide. Parts part 6 of 7, 307 MB
Terrains, guide. Parts part 5 of 7, 307 MB
Terrains, guide. Parts part 4 of 7, 307 MB
Terrains, guide. Parts part 3 of 7, 307 MB
Terrains, guide. Parts part 2 of 7, 307 MB
Terrains, guide. Parts part 1 of 7, 307 MB
Natural Sky Pack - No Install 8.3 MB
Natural Sky Pack - Windows Installer 8.7 MB
Natural Sky Pack - Mac Installer 8.5 MB
Light In Vue DVD - Complete 1.65 GB
Light in Vue part 1 276Mbt
Light in Vue part 2 276Mbt
Light in Vue part 3 276Mbt
Light in Vue part 5 276Mbt
Light in Vue part 4 276Mbt
Light in Vue part 6 276Mbt
Light in Vue part 7 91Mbt

I hope you understand what i mean if not feel free to ask and i will try and give better explanation.



3. Tutorials - Learning
What i find the most helpful are the tutorials that set out with a specific creation goal in mind and at the same time having the different options/settings explained as to what the setting not only does but why you, the tutorial narrator, are choosing to set it that way. Now most of the time the tutorials are layed out this way. But sometimes they are not which makes things more difficult. As a result, often times people (me) are left with some uncertainty and just input your numbers/settings in the hope of achieving the same result without really understanding why something was set a particular way.



4. Tutorials - Narrating
Walking on egg shells here hehe, again this is just things that stand out, no disrespect or bad feelings are intended.

Ami: Not seeing as many tutorials being narrated by Ami. I am wondering if she only does certain vue topics. The reason i bring this up is because having a good varying mix of narrators can help users learn different techniques by following there different styles of work and teachings. Maybe i just have been viewing tutorials lately on topics she generally doesn't cover.

Gary: Another valued member of the team no doubt. The only trouble i have here with Gary's tutorials is often times the recordings have a lot of audio interference which makes it hard to follow along. Not sure if its a bad microphone/sound card or if the more recent tutorials audio issues have been resolved. I just recently started viewing some of the tutorials he has narrated.

Vladimir: Well what can i say, Vladimir knows his Vue but what is really interesting is not just his ability to open up the all the magic of whats contained in Vue but occasionally his choice of magical words and annunciations. Seriously nothing really specific to point out but i do often find at times the words and annunciations to be entertaining. Sometimes it makes me think, hey that's not a word or what did he say?. lol No worries though the English language and English slang is pretty vast so getting it right every time is something most of us cant do.



5. Tutorials - Community

Artur Rosa: Although he may not be a direct staff member of GAP as far as i know, it would be great to get more of his inspiring works in video tutorial form available on the GAP website. Having only one was disappointing but that's because i found his work equal to that of the GAP staff and wished for more.

Pnina Osguthorpe: Haven't checked out this persons tutorial yet. But looking forward to it.

Community: It would be great to see more tutorials from community members if this is something the GAP staff support. But if so, would suggest setting down a standard guide to follow in regards to video/audio quality etc.

Well ok that's all i can think of. You can now feel free to delete me for rambling on and pointing out small imperfections lol. As i said though just things that as a fellow tutorial watcher i have noticed and sticks with me. Overall you guys/gals are doing an excellent job so at no time do i mean to imply otherwise. *Hides under table, waiting for the outrage*
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Re: Please tell what you don't like in tutorials.

Postby vovka » Thu Feb 04, 2010 10:36 am

Great sugetions, it's what i am looking for. Don't worry about walking on egg shells :)
I know that my accent is hard to understend for some users.

-Ami, she is writer, I drag her to Vue :), now as result she writing books and articles about 3D. Right now she writing other book about 3D, not Vue, it should be gold mine.

Tutorials are in mess, hard to find specific subject. We need to work on other layout and way to search organize them. Any one want help with it more then welcome. Geekatplay not a compnay that provide income that you can live off :) . Me Jason have full time jobs, me as senior c# programmer, plus 3d consulting jobs. So geekatplay more as community portal, where we like to share our knowlege with other people with same passion. We would like see more tutorials and content come from comunity.
So any one who know php, mysql, graphics ...etc want donaite there time, let me know.
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Re: Please tell what you don't like in tutorials.

Postby tuwde » Thu Feb 04, 2010 1:01 pm

Hi @ll,

I want to tell something I think about and what other german people let me know. Unfortunately, I hadn't really time to supplement my english knowledge in the last few weeks, the text here is not really much better than last year I think. Nevertheless, I hope to express myself understandable...

I only can tell about two things:

1. about the menue on top of the tutorials - especially for vue - I think the same as xfgexo. It's nice to find so many tutorials here, but if someone find an interesting tutorial and come back after 4 weeks or later, he/she must search a long time to see it again.

I think it should be sorted better on tabs as example like

terrains -place all tutorials about terrains inside there and create links like on the other sites (1-35, 36-70...)
I LOVE this easy klick on this links!!!

Create only one link 'weekly sets' and place there all weekly sets with links to the subsites (1-35, 36-70)

Create only one link for 'Garys tutorials' with links to the subsites (1-35, 36-70....)

Create only one link for 'Epic Landscapes', find a way to place 'vue 7 overview' and 'Discovering Vue8' into one tab.

Let 'Community', 'Vue (german language)' and 'Lighting in vue' as they are, because I think this is easy to understand, good sorted and nice to find.

This is not a "you have to do", it is only an idea from myself, because I think it's a bit confusing with so many links on the topmenue to find that what someone really want to see. Sometimes I must search for little things, too.

2. Many german people like your site really but can't speak or understand english. I tell them to take the sound off and only watch what you and gary create. It looks like they are not really happy with this idea.
Some of them want more information recorded in german. I don't want to offend anybody if I record something that is still on your site, for example about the ecosystem. I think I know a lot about it, but there are so many tutorials still online here in english, so I don't recorded them in german because I don't know if I'm allowed to.
I began to upload the first vue tutorial in my board with a first fast overview over the vuemenue in german.
I told there the next tutorials would show at first a lot about the standard terrain, the functions there and so on... today I saw that you have record really a very lot tutorials for the terrains.
I really like many of the tutorials and I really like to have always a look on things I'm skilled in to just to see if I can learn further more. But to record new tutorials without telling something that is really never recorded from you or Gary is not easy ;)
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Re: Please tell what you don't like in tutorials.

Postby vovka » Thu Feb 04, 2010 1:08 pm

We can create german site for geekatplay, like we trying for russian, here is in development :
http://www.dragonfactions.com ( will be http://www.geekatplay.ru)
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Re: Please tell what you don't like in tutorials.

Postby Mannie » Thu Feb 04, 2010 1:16 pm

I suggest dropdown menu style for the navigation
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Re: Please tell what you don't like in tutorials.

Postby xfgexo » Thu Feb 04, 2010 8:53 pm

Well i am glad no one took offense, as none was intended. But being new around here i really hesitated and pondered if i should've commented or not. But seeing as how i am cursed from my mother to be so bloody organized, i guess i couldn't help myself. lol

As far as having people help out by donating there time, tutorials etc, i think that's a great idea.
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Re: Please tell what you don't like in tutorials.

Postby tuwde » Thu Feb 04, 2010 10:50 pm

That's a good idea, vovka. It would probably do some things easier for me and German visitors.

I thank you again for your trust!
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Re: Please tell what you don't like in tutorials.

Postby Mannie » Fri Feb 05, 2010 8:26 am

Another idea i got , only the width of the site woulde be in the way for that. Have the links for the submenus on the side say where the ads are now for the dvd's
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Re: Please tell what you don't like in tutorials.

Postby xfgexo » Sat Feb 06, 2010 12:25 pm

Lots of good ideas here. I was playing arround some (was bored) and I think that even though i more proficient in Flash design and tend to favor it, the tutorial menu links would probably be best setup with DHTML. There are a lot of nice, free scripts out there. Several of them can be setup so all someone has to do in the future is edit an XML file to change or add to the tutorial list navigation menu. There are some that can also be setup for inline and absolute positioning. This way it shouldnt mess up the rest of the page.

Anyway just my 2 cents worth.
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Re: Please tell what you don't like in tutorials.

Postby vovka » Mon Feb 08, 2010 5:34 pm

working on new menus, check them :
http://vladimir.chopine.org/test/demo.html
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Re: Please tell what you don't like in tutorials.

Postby xfgexo » Mon Feb 08, 2010 8:47 pm

Very nice indeed. It looks very similar to one of the scripts i was looking at which utilizes Ajax.

Overall i think its definitely the way to go. Keeps things more organized and keeps a clean professional look to the site. I am not totally crazy about the whole language tag on each of them. But at the same time i understand the need for it. It would be great if there was a different way to accommodate the different languages prior to the expanding menus. But again it is a vast improvement and will definitely make things much easier to navigate and more organized.

Nicely done.
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Re: Please tell what you don't like in tutorials.

Postby drugar » Mon Feb 08, 2010 9:13 pm

That looks good so far...:) easier to find "things",lol
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Re: Please tell what you don't like in tutorials.

Postby Gary Miller » Mon Feb 08, 2010 9:49 pm

RIGHT ON! That demo html of the menu and sub categories is perfect. Much easier and easier on the eyes and brain. :D
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Re: Please tell what you don't like in tutorials.

Postby Mannie » Mon Feb 08, 2010 10:23 pm

That is just perfect, very neat
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